PRESENTER: A viewer from Silivri had stated; “My esteemed preacher, a television show broadcasted on TRT, which depicted the Israeli soldiers killing children, had been expounded by Israel as provocation and antisemitism. We are very curious about your comments on the subject. Do you also think that recently there are attempts to instigate an artificial stress in between Israel and Turkey?” Yes, that is a question on the latest events of our days.
ADNAN OKTAR:Yes. Depicting the fact that martyring a child is an atrocious thing is in favor of Israel. It is in favor of Turkey. It is in favor of all the humanity. That is to curse whoever does this. It is the same if that is done by a Christian as well. I mean in essence what is important there is that a child is made martyr by a member of any belief or any other way of thinking. On this point, there is nothing defaming the Jews. The Jews are very dear to us. Which Jew could ever want to martyr a child? Would he? Which Jew could want something like that, which Christian would ever want it? For that reason the devout Jews should not be offended by that. I mean that is not something related with them, this is only an act of protest towards the tyrants. That is a commentary made against the treacherous attentats committed by the atheistic, Zionist, Masonic focal points, against the acts of treachery. What it means is that if that is also done towards a Jew, a devout Jewish child for instance, that would be atrocious as well, that can also be a devout Jewish Rabbi, or any other devout person or a Christian brother of ours. It can be a child or an elderly, that doesn’t matter. That is to say; such acts are atrocious. We will all support this. In default whereof there is not the logic that states the Jews martyr children here. If that is the case Muslims do the same. Even people who are Muslims do behave cruelly at times. They enter with the bombs and cause people to die as well. And this also is atrocious just the same. Consequently such films, I mean films that curse the people who persecute innocent and aggrieved are beneficial films. For that reason there is no reason to be offended or troubled.
PRESENTER: I do not think that this is the only reason of the stress. Actually I do think that this had been flamed a bit by the fact that Israel had not been invited to the Anatolian Eagle Military Exercises. What would you say about this exercise? You have had some statements about this from before.
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, this is again the same logic. The Israeli pilots would never, under no circumstances, the vast majority of them, ever willingly bomb our Palestinian brothers, kill them. They are sent there by force. The command is coming from the top, from the atheistic Zionists. And they put these kids in a position of a killer. I mean they place them in a position of a killer and the others become martyrs. This was done to prevent this. In default whereof which Jew would ever want the Palestinians to be bombed from the air, which real devout Jewish person would ever want this? This was an act to protest this, to halt these kinds of actions. We believe that it is also atrocious to kill a Jew by a bomb from the air or by any kind of missiles just as well.
I mean if there are things going on in that direction then that must be stopped as well. If these are things towards the Christians in that respect that should be stopped too. Or towards communists for that matter. That is to say a person should not be bombed because of his ideas, a person should not be razed because of his ideas. He can be justiciable, he can be tried and given whatever the penalty of that offense is. They are killing children, mothers, young girls, old uncles, people who have no relation with them through bombs sent from the air. And even if there is a crime, the penalty for it is not death anyway. Is it? The penalty would be to imprison that person. Or whatever it is , you put them in a trial on a court. But Israel should find it better not to adopt such a method.
PRESENTER: But of course you do put them in trials but when you do so, you should not torture them either. That is another point that should be stated clearly.
ADNAN OKTAR: Of course, I mean that should also be in compliance with the humanitarian circumstances, that is to say, it should be orderly and in compliance with the international laws and acts. However being both the decree and the adjudicator and the executor, that is not acceptable. That is to say a pilot cannot decide on the air and destroy a house on his own. Were we to say come here and let us give you the training on how to do this? Of course that is not acceptable. Not here not anywhere else is okay for such a training. Israelis too should not be in such pain, Christians should not be in such pain either. Because while bombing from the air sometimes even the Christians are hit by it. Just the same for instance sometimes it is the Palestinians launching rockets on them. That also hits the persecuted ones. That for instance, is a very abnormal, very atrocious thing to do as well.
PRESENTER: Yes.
ADNAN OKTAR: None of these should be happening. I mean all of these are the parts of a whole. To say let that happen here, but don’t let it happen there, is not something acceptable. To throw bombs from the air, to bring horror upon people from the air is not acceptable in anywhere. I mean that can only be in state of war. That is to say it can only be done as a way lawful defense. And even that has lots of principles. I mean it can only be done towards aggressors, that is to say if they are committing murders, killing people and if there is no other way out, only then that kind of an intervention can be acceptable. But that too is bound by law. Even then it is subject to the condition that the humanitarian aspects of the situation are put into practice and it should be strictly avoided to go to extremes. I mean it is only acceptable if it is done as a self-defense.
PRESENTER: Yes. You for instance sometimes make statements, you sometimes have radio connections, interviews with foreign media and you are explaining this to the people there, you do state that peace will come with the times of the Mahdi, that reconciliation will be provided then. These for instance are very beneficial and very nice things to say for putting an end to the bloodshed that is going on there and to provide the peace in that region at last.
ADNAN OKTAR: Of course. I mean why is it required to pour bombs down to Palestine like rain? Knock those walls you built down, open the gates, become brothers with each other, love each other, let us provide such an environment. Let it be an ambience of affection. There is a huge area there. And it is almost empty, I mean a handful of Israelis are living there in any case, the population is very small. For whom is that area in the region not sufficient? It is an immense land and it is empty everywhere. Engage yourself in agriculture as ever you want, live as ever you want, let the children run around, live with the Palestinians like brothers. If you throw bombs from the air then they will come back and fire missiles on you. They are throwing bombs on them and they are firing missiles on the others. That perishes both parties, Allah forbid. And that is persecution on both parties. No devout Jew could ever want something like that.
 That is to say; no devout Jew should be fooled by such a plot. Of course we would not accept such a training. It shouldn’t be accepted. I mean how could such training be given to kill people? And then they go and bomb the Palestinians, those persecuted ones there. Whilst there is a means for peace, whilst there is a means for brotherhood, whilst there is a means to establish friendship, whilst there is the search for such a solution, to leave these behind is very dangerous for the security of people living there. Where would this animosity bring us? Antagonizing Muslims towards Jews, antagonizing the Jews towards the Muslims would cause much more blood to be shed Allah forbid.
PRESENTER: Yes regrettably.
ADNAN OKTAR: Then it is a pity for both parties. Why is it necessary? We are all servants of Allah. You are Jews, Allah had created you to be Jews, and us to be Muslims. Let us be brothers, let us knock those walls amicably, let us do business together, let us have fun and laugh together. Let us lay tables together and eat together. I mean why is that pain, that anguish necessary?
PRESENTER: Insha’Allah.
ADNAN OKTAR: Blood is bringing blood, pain is brining pain with it. That bloodshed should be halted immediately. All the weapons bringing bloodshed, causing bloodshed should be removed. All such works should be halted.
PRESENTER: Yes. I have watched a very painful video on the news. And watching it made me very sad actually. Very young children in Hakkari, putting binds on their faces are throwing stones, molotov cocktails or whatever they come across to the police. Later on, by Allah’s guidance, peace and tranquility had been brought to the region with the arrival of our soldiers, but nevertheless that is an awful thing. That young child doesn’t even know what he is doing. Such strange things also happen in our country too. What should be done there? How can the consciousness of those children be formed, how can they be turned away from the mistakes that they are doing?
ADNAN OKTAR: Of course, children should be approached with love under all circumstances, they should be approached with affection. To throw stones at the police, those people, those police officers have children too, I mean what if a stone thrown hits the forehead of that police. They are throwing big, huge stones, for instance Allah forbid if it comes to his eyes and Allah forbid if it causes his eyes to bleed out, how painful would it feel for his family, his children, his mother?
PRESENTER: Of course.
ADNAN OKTAR:I mean this is cruelty, is it not? And what good does it make? He is an officer of the state, I mean he is just doing what is commanded to do. And he is trying to guard the peace. He is striving to ensure that there will be no clutter, no terror, no anarchy left in sight. He is putting his life on the line. To assault him with molotov cocktails, to throw such materials on him is a massive cruelty. But I have always regarded the protection of the police insufficient all over the world. I mean they are directly open to molotov cocktail, directly open to stones. I mean can something like that ever be acceptable? Molotov cocktail is a very dangerous thing, it has a fatal effect. The stones as well, I mean the stones that they throw are massive, they weigh kilograms. They might cause cerebral hemorrhage, I mean it might kill him directly or cause his eyes bleed out. I mean this is as a very heavy weapon. I mean they are throwing very big stones, as big as a fist. The protection of the police is not sufficient all over the world. That is what I see. That is to say; they are fighting hand to hand with the people assaulting them. Why is that necessary? I mean that is a big offense. That is to say to assault a person with stones, to assault him by wood, what does that mean?
PRESENTER: Of course.
ADNAN OKTAR: More powerful security precautions should be taken. I mean, for instance the armors they are using should be more comprehensive and there should be more armored vehicles for them to use.
PRESENTER: Yes.
ADNAN OKTAR: I mean if there is something that you should protest, explain it with your thoughts, go on television and talk. Talk about whatever you want. Go and tell whatever you want share for share, why don’t you, you can tell your problems in a petition as well. But to make scenes, to provoke unpleasant incidents, that hurts both parties. The police get wounded and you get wounded, who is happy at the end of this? And that calls for harsher precautions afterwards. It limits their freedom. I mean what does that bring? It only brings damage. So encourage democracy, encourage freedom. Encourage peace. Let it be a comfortable democratic environment, go and talk about your ideas openly, who would ever say a thing to you?
PRESENTER: Yes of course, and it is a pity, a real pity that the provocateurs are using particularly children in doing that.
(From Mr. Adnan Oktar's live interview on Tempo TV and Kocaeli TV, October 16th, 2009)Oct 24, 2009
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